Friday, April 29, 2022

One of my vices is vises (or maybe anvils) A & W

Here's an interesting multi-use tool made by yet another long lost Canadian company, A&W in Guelph, Ontario. Update (see below)- There is conjecture that it is actually A&V (for anvil and vise?). The vise jaws are only about 2 1/2 inches wide so the whole tool is of hobby size though this thread suggests it dates to the mid 1800s. Wonder what the protrusions along the lower edge of the base are for?

Here's another combination vise anvil.




 
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Update July 2022,  A reader, John did some research and came up with the following information- and the whole industrial history. Very much appreciated, John!

"After seeing this vise on your blog I searched for the maker extensively, and unsuccessfully. Then while looking for other vise info on Garage Journal I stumbled onto a purported Canadian manufacturer previously unknown to me: A. R. Woodyatt & Co. of Guelph. Down the rabbit hole for me..."

The model is "Allen's Combination Vise and Anvil". What we took to be "A&W" on the base is actually "A&V" for "anvil & vise".

It was sold from at least 1901 to 1903, according to catalog pages. The jaw width is given as 2", whereas you said the one in your post is 2.5". Also says it is red in colour, so the one in this post may be original. But the punch and chisel are missing.

Patented by JOSEPH ALLEN, of PALMYRA, NEW YORK, application date 1900.03.21. Although the patent is for a somewhat different design than what Woodyatt manufactured, it does describe the features that were so puzzling:   Patent US 650363

And an example of the American version is at https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/the-vises-of-garage-journal.44782/post-6406184.

Successor company to Woodyatt was Taylor-Forbes, also in Guelph:  previous post and here.

Best source I found: https://greyroots.pastperfectonline.com/webobject/E7E8A870-D663-4D31-B5C3-536192185848

Comment here says: "Woodyatt and Guelph Malleable Iron were joined together into Taylor Forbes." https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamica1/7166687491

Also https://greyroots.pastperfectonline.com/bycreator?keyword=A.+R.+Woodyatt+%26+Co.

I believe the following site is wrong based on the above: "Canadian manufacturers established at Guelph, Ontario in 1873. In 1890 they bought out A.R. Woodyatt." https://oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/mowers/directory/taylor-forbes

And a building that was home to both companies is still in use today: https://m.facebook.com/SpringMill1836/photos/riddled-with-history-the-four-walls-that-the-ward-bar-currently-resides-in-was-t/1125577847971375/.  

More history on Guelph Malleable Iron Works, the other company folded into Taylor-Forbes!



8 comments:

Joe said...

I would guess the three pegs on the corner of the base would be useful for bending wire or small rod. The vertical horn on the other side likely is meant to take the place of a stake since there's no stake hole in the anvil. None of it seems terribly useful except in the smallest of hobbies, but it's still interesting, and surprising it's survived.

Dave said...

That's pretty cool. I agree that the three projections are for bending stock and wire, and the holes and cones are for general punching and other metal work. Amazing they haven't broken off.

Anonymous said...

I got one just like this one… anyone interested in it???

Graham Helder said...

I have found one of these vises as well. It very clearly says A&W on the bottom.

Mister G said...

oh, that's interesting. The mystery continues.

BM Durtnall said...

I have done extensive work on the companies Taylor-Forbes and its predecessors. Auld and Woodyatt became AR Wooyatt when Auld retired. Woodyatt moved from the Paisley street factory in 1898 into the old Guelph Woolen Mill building on Arthur Street and began to expand.

He died in December 1901. The factory was taken over by George Forbes - who had been involved with AR Woodyatt but also had his own business - the Guelph Malleable Iron co. in partnership with John Taylor - formerly of Toronto' Dominion Radiator Co and his brother Adma Taylor, they created Taylor-Forbes. It went on to become one of the largest hardware manufactures in Canada.

They retained many of the products created by Woodyatt over the years. If anyone wants to learn more about this and other Guelph, Ontario companies, feel free to visit wwwLabouringallourlives.ca.

Mister G said...

Thanks for your email, good information on these old Canadian companies. Also, thanks for the link...

tawhatnext said...

I'd previously provided some info about this vise to Mister G, including the erroneous conclusion that the stamp on the bottom must be "A&V".
BM Durtnall mentions the proper explanation above: "A&W" stands for Auld & Woodyatt.
Both worked for another Guelph businessman, JB Armstrong, whose carriage manufacturing company grew into an international automobile spring making operation: https://labouringallourlives.ca/armstrong-and-family-from-carriages-to-automobiles/
Charles Auld and AR Woodyatt left and set up their own business. The story is here - don't miss the photos at the bottom :)
https://labouringallourlives.ca/the-guelph-enterprise-manufacturing-co/